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Train vandals sentenced
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Two men who went on an international, £100,000 vandalism rampage have been given suspended sentences.
Jason Giorgetti and Michael Deioia, along with teen James Rees, left thousands of tags on trains and stations across south-west London starting in 2003, Southwark Crown Court was told.
The court heard the trio were involved in causing extensive damage to the railway by defacing property with the tags KASO, ANIK and FORGOT, as far back as 2003.
Giorgetti and Deioia, linked to the SHZ crew, even travelled to Germany, tagging trains there.
The court was told that being arrested in April 2006 did not stop Giorgetti tagging property. Released on police bail, he was picked up in Epsom a short time later committing more vandalism with Rees.
Police put the three on a home curfew in January last year while officers collected more evidence of their crimes, including thousands of images of graffiti and seized homemade videos, hundreds of cans of spray paint, bolt cutters and other graffiti paraphernalia.
The three pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit criminal damage against railway property including that belonging to Southern, Southeastern, South West Trains, London Underground trains as well as damage to trains in Germany.
Giorgetti, 22, of Smitham Downs Road, Croydon, and Deioia, 26, of Arundel Avenue, Selsdon, were given 12-month sentences suspended for two years.
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| Jason Giorgetti |
They were each ordered to complete 250 hours' community service within a year and pay £2,000 compensation to the railways and £175 costs.
Rees, 18, of Palmerfield Road, Banstead, offered to pay £1,500 compensation and must complete 125 hours' unpaid work.
BTP Detective Sergeant Pete Thrush said the trio were persistent and had been involved in a "campaign of vandalism on the railways".
"The level of damage caused by this group was prolific. They showed no regard to anyone but themselves in their attempt to gain notoriety by criminally damaging railway property."
Sentencing them yesterday, Judge James Wadsworth said the trio had "to slightly varying degrees, engaged in a long practise of stupid and destructive behaviour".
"It is a stupid piece of vandalism that must be treated seriously. What each of you did easily passes the custody threshold."
Judge Wadsworth said while he was suspending the sentences, due to the ill health of Giorgetti's mother, the trio were warned if they re-offended they would be hauled back before the courts.
Among the areas targeted by the three were Epsom station and town centre, Thornton Heath station, Chiswick Park station, Purley station and town centre; London Bridge station and buildings, railway property and disused factories in Croydon.
10:34am Friday 2nd May 2008
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CommentPosted by: P, CR0 on 8:45pm Fri 2 May 08
[bold]SHOOT ZEM![/bold]
Posted by: Eye 4 an Eye, Croydon on 10:27pm Fri 2 May 08
See how they like it and as a deterent to others, tattoo their faces with the word "criminal".
See how they like it and as a deterent to others, tattoo their faces with the word "criminal".
Posted by: adam, wallington on 2:11pm Sat 3 May 08
No need for expensive prison sentences or even expensive supervised community service. It's simple. Vandalise their property. Indelibly mark their nikes and their i-pods and their mobile phones and all their best clothes. See how they like it when their favourite 'gear' is tagged by us!
No need for expensive prison sentences or even expensive supervised community service. It's simple. Vandalise their property. Indelibly mark their nikes and their i-pods and their mobile phones and all their best clothes. See how they like it when their favourite 'gear' is tagged by us!
Posted by: Its a shame on 7:31pm Sat 3 May 08
U people are a disgrace commenting on three young normal but artistic youths u give culture, to areas far and wide. When banksy does it u all jerk off and pay big sums of cash to a dude taking the **** out of this sheepish society we live in futher more there are terrorists and missing children madeline, and the police want to watse time and resources on graffiti artist like they are the only ones in england. THINK!
U people are a disgrace commenting on three young normal but artistic youths u give culture, to areas far and wide. When banksy does it u all jerk off and pay big sums of cash to a dude taking the **** out of this sheepish society we live in futher more there are terrorists and missing children madeline, and the police want to watse time and resources on graffiti artist like they are the only ones in england. THINK!
Posted by: Chav, Sheen on 9:02pm Sat 3 May 08
Artistic? I don't mind some graffiti. But most, like the above, have no talent at all. Tags are lame/talentless. And don't put them in the same boat as Banksy.
Artistic? I don't mind some graffiti. But most, like the above, have no talent at all. Tags are lame/talentless. And don't put them in the same boat as Banksy.
Posted by: PATRICIA DENNIS, SOUTH CROYDON on 10:54pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Its a shame[/bold] wrote:
U people are a disgrace commenting on three young normal but artistic youths u give culture, to areas far and wide. When banksy does it u all jerk off and pay big sums of cash to a dude taking the **** out of this sheepish society we live in futher more there are terrorists and missing children madeline, and the police want to watse time and resources on graffiti artist like they are the only ones in england. THINK![/quote] There is nothing normal or artistic about defacing property. It is criminal damage and anti-social. Obviously, you must be doing it yourself.
Its a shame wrote:
U people are a disgrace commenting on three young normal but artistic youths u give culture, to areas far and wide. When banksy does it u all jerk off and pay big sums of cash to a dude taking the **** out of this sheepish society we live in futher more there are terrorists and missing children madeline, and the police want to watse time and resources on graffiti artist like they are the only ones in england. THINK!
There is nothing normal or artistic about defacing property. It is criminal damage and anti-social. Obviously, you must be doing it yourself.
Posted by: Martin Harris, Selhurst on 5:51pm Sun 4 May 08
If you notice all the media coverage is one sided. They only say the worst to portray these guys as criminals when really there not. There talented designers but from reading this you believe their vandals. Dont believe what you read.
If you notice all the media coverage is one sided. They only say the worst to portray these guys as criminals when really there not. There talented designers but from reading this you believe their vandals. Dont believe what you read.
Posted by: PATRICIA DENNIS, SOUTH CROYDON on 2:56pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Martin Harris[/bold] wrote:
If you notice all the media coverage is one sided. They only say the worst to portray these guys as criminals when really there not. There talented designers but from reading this you believe their vandals. Dont believe what you read. [/quote] They may well be artistic, but graffiti is illegal. It is a criminal offence. They are criminals because they are vandalising property which does not belong to them.
Martin Harris wrote:
If you notice all the media coverage is one sided. They only say the worst to portray these guys as criminals when really there not. There talented designers but from reading this you believe their vandals. Dont believe what you read.
They may well be artistic, but graffiti is illegal. It is a criminal offence. They are criminals because they are vandalising property which does not belong to them.
Posted by: Adrian, Sutton on 2:57pm Mon 5 May 08
Crikey, you're right! When they daubed their illiterate splodges all over trains, they weren't vandalising them... they were just using their amazing, undiscovered talent *design* them! I now understand that clean trains with scratch-free windows and rip-free seats are just terrible examples of bad design, and people like these two should be employed to improve them. How could we all have missed something so obvious?
Crikey, you're right! When they daubed their illiterate splodges all over trains, they weren't vandalising them... they were just using their amazing, undiscovered talent *design* them! I now understand that clean trains with scratch-free windows and rip-free seats are just terrible examples of bad design, and people like these two should be employed to improve them. How could we all have missed something so obvious?
Posted by: jim jones, london on 4:42pm Mon 5 May 08
this is what thepolice thrive on- u the gullible public. why dont u consider how much this case cost to bring to court.. many thousands more than what was retrieved in fines. the information in this article is fundamentally wrong and the fugures quoted are only specualtive. graffiti does not cost what it portrayed in the media. it costs £8 sq/m to clean the figures are exaggerated inorder to plug the gap in other failing parts of the business. and all those who say it wrong to deface etc are probablty the same mugs who say banksy is art. if we all go out and use a stencil as a blue rint for the tags - that makes it ok??
gullible mugs
this is what thepolice thrive on- u the gullible public. why dont u consider how much this case cost to bring to court.. many thousands more than what was retrieved in fines. the information in this article is fundamentally wrong and the fugures quoted are only specualtive. graffiti does not cost what it portrayed in the media. it costs £8 sq/m to clean the figures are exaggerated inorder to plug the gap in other failing parts of the business. and all those who say it wrong to deface etc are probablty the same mugs who say banksy is art. if we all go out and use a stencil as a blue rint for the tags - that makes it ok??
gullible mugs
Posted by: Adrian, Sutton on 6:27pm Mon 5 May 08
The legal system certainly is expensive, but that's unfortunately avoidable... the execution of the law has to come before questions of cost. I partly take your point about Banksy, but (if I understand the story correctly) these people were charged for *tagging*. That's not creating a mural or a funny cartoon... that's just some moron spraying their name on a wall.
The legal system certainly is expensive, but that's unfortunately avoidable... the execution of the law has to come before questions of cost. I partly take your point about Banksy, but (if I understand the story correctly) these people were charged for *tagging*. That's not creating a mural or a funny cartoon... that's just some moron spraying their name on a wall.
Posted by: Adrian, Sutton on 6:28pm Mon 5 May 08
Gah, I meant to type "unavoidable"!
Gah, I meant to type "unavoidable"!
Posted by: Gertrude Grendal, London on 9:19pm Mon 5 May 08
I wish somebody would fine the idiots that fill the New Tate with garbage, unmade beds as art etc. Also, I hope that now we have a new Mayor of London, Trafalgar Square wont be filled with rubbishy so-called art. Lets hope the pigeons will be free to feed and fly once more and let the taggers have their day tagging the square. They can always clean it up afterwards, and it might be an interesting exhibition.
I wish somebody would fine the idiots that fill the New Tate with garbage, unmade beds as art etc. Also, I hope that now we have a new Mayor of London, Trafalgar Square wont be filled with rubbishy so-called art. Lets hope the pigeons will be free to feed and fly once more and let the taggers have their day tagging the square. They can always clean it up afterwards, and it might be an interesting exhibition.
Posted by: jim jones, london on 11:39pm Mon 5 May 08
as u say understand the article correctly". trust me there are many flaws in this article. how do i know. i know each person involved, saw first hand the tactics used by the police. now im not condoning what was done. for example each were put on home detention for 16 months all because the police said bail was broken which was a blatent lie by the police as it never one, despite one being out of the country while the "bail breach" had taken place. this HDC costs the tax payer £1000 pound a day. this whole thing has been sensationalised for the press. it is something the the general public would not believe unless experienced. the police are just legal criminals.
as u say understand the article correctly". trust me there are many flaws in this article. how do i know. i know each person involved, saw first hand the tactics used by the police. now im not condoning what was done. for example each were put on home detention for 16 months all because the police said bail was broken which was a blatent lie by the police as it never one, despite one being out of the country while the "bail breach" had taken place. this HDC costs the tax payer £1000 pound a day. this whole thing has been sensationalised for the press. it is something the the general public would not believe unless experienced. the police are just legal criminals.
Posted by: Annonymous on 12:44am Tue 6 May 08
You don't actualy realise that these people were on tag for 15months, restricted to go out after certain times. Also the calculations they put on these three are ridiculous, it's rubbish. It nowhere near came up to 100k, it probably would have all come up to 50k at the most. They should be made to clean their rubbish off, these people got a fair sentence, but there's hundreds of other vandals out there who get ridiculous sentences. They get sent to jail for graffiti which is absolutely ridiculous and wasting tax payers money? Don't you think these stupid BTP officers should stop wasting so much money in to their investigations, they go as far as travelling to other countries to gather evidence on them, carrying out ridiculous amount of forensics and that's were all the tax payers money goes to. The justice in this country is absolutely wrong. One minute there complaining about prison over crowding, then another minute there's suddenly people getting sent to jail for graffiti. This country is a joke. You can rape a innocent women, ruin her life, and get the same sentence as a graffiti artist, who is just spraying trains expressing them selves and not harming any body else.
You don't actualy realise that these people were on tag for 15months, restricted to go out after certain times. Also the calculations they put on these three are ridiculous, it's rubbish. It nowhere near came up to 100k, it probably would have all come up to 50k at the most. They should be made to clean their rubbish off, these people got a fair sentence, but there's hundreds of other vandals out there who get ridiculous sentences. They get sent to jail for graffiti which is absolutely ridiculous and wasting tax payers money? Don't you think these stupid BTP officers should stop wasting so much money in to their investigations, they go as far as travelling to other countries to gather evidence on them, carrying out ridiculous amount of forensics and that's were all the tax payers money goes to. The justice in this country is absolutely wrong. One minute there complaining about prison over crowding, then another minute there's suddenly people getting sent to jail for graffiti. This country is a joke. You can rape a innocent women, ruin her life, and get the same sentence as a graffiti artist, who is just spraying trains expressing them selves and not harming any body else.
Posted by: Fraser, Croydon, London on 12:48am Tue 6 May 08
ive seen these guys work and the picture of that tag does them no justice. they did some colourful pieces round our way that brightened up the dull walls along the train tracks on my morning commute! have you seen the advertising campaign at the moment for a car 'some people call it criminal, others great art'... well although im not condoning what these guys have done theres no doubt good graffiti is cool. its used to sell everything from clothes to cars, and although Bansky can be cited as a famous example of when graffiti is loved when it appears, many lesser known artists do pieces that can be greatly enjoyed by the public as well, not everyone hates it. we all see hundreds of adverts a day, is a nice piece of graffiti art so bad? have you ever seen the hordes of tourists taking pictures of the graffiti up at Southbank? and as for your comments that you should write stuff on their things and see how they like it, has anyone ever graffited something you own? to my knowledge they dont paint peoples cars or houses, just boring ugly walls which personally i think are usually improved! its not like they are writing anything offensive. When artists like Bansky can become famous and make so much money for illegal street art you cant be surprised when other kids want to follow his lead. Addias did its famous 'End to End' graffiti based clothing range recently using graf artists that had became famous for writing their tags illegally. Undoubtably for some its been a career move. Of all the criminal activities to be involved i think id rather they were doing this than drugs stealing or fighting, at least a bit of paint is fairly harmless. And if you were wondering no i've never indulged in this kind of activity myself, i just personally feel London with no graffiti at all would be a much more boring place!!
ive seen these guys work and the picture of that tag does them no justice. they did some colourful pieces round our way that brightened up the dull walls along the train tracks on my morning commute! have you seen the advertising campaign at the moment for a car 'some people call it criminal, others great art'... well although im not condoning what these guys have done theres no doubt good graffiti is cool. its used to sell everything from clothes to cars, and although Bansky can be cited as a famous example of when graffiti is loved when it appears, many lesser known artists do pieces that can be greatly enjoyed by the public as well, not everyone hates it. we all see hundreds of adverts a day, is a nice piece of graffiti art so bad? have you ever seen the hordes of tourists taking pictures of the graffiti up at Southbank? and as for your comments that you should write stuff on their things and see how they like it, has anyone ever graffited something you own? to my knowledge they dont paint peoples cars or houses, just boring ugly walls which personally i think are usually improved! its not like they are writing anything offensive. When artists like Bansky can become famous and make so much money for illegal street art you cant be surprised when other kids want to follow his lead. Addias did its famous 'End to End' graffiti based clothing range recently using graf artists that had became famous for writing their tags illegally. Undoubtably for some its been a career move. Of all the criminal activities to be involved i think id rather they were doing this than drugs stealing or fighting, at least a bit of paint is fairly harmless. And if you were wondering no i've never indulged in this kind of activity myself, i just personally feel London with no graffiti at all would be a much more boring place!!
Posted by: LORD FAUNTLEROY, FAUNTLEROY CASTLE on 10:08pm Tue 6 May 08
Actually, what we all need to do is ask the offenders for their home addresses - and then write graffiti all over their stereo systems, computers and TV sets - perhaps even spray their clothes as well - put them in the stocks and spray their faces. Now that WOULD be justice.
Actually, what we all need to do is ask the offenders for their home addresses - and then write graffiti all over their stereo systems, computers and TV sets - perhaps even spray their clothes as well - put them in the stocks and spray their faces. Now that WOULD be justice.
Posted by: Beani, London on 10:24pm Tue 6 May 08
This article has been completely exaggerated on every level. The inaccuracies could be perceived as victimisation. The information you read in this article has been glorified to justify the cost of this investigation and portray them as responsible for graffiti on a global scale. Do you think someone who breaks into your house is responsible for ALL burglaries on a national scale??? I don’t think so.
The 3 guys in the article have been treated appallingly by the police service and judicial system, from having faulty tagging equipment leading to being held unfairly in police cells for days on end, to having the investigation team constantly chipping away at them.
Maybe its time the police service as a whole started to concentrate on important issues such as the missing children, the drugs on our streets and the stabbings we hear about daily. These are the issues that matter.
This article has been completely exaggerated on every level. The inaccuracies could be perceived as victimisation. The information you read in this article has been glorified to justify the cost of this investigation and portray them as responsible for graffiti on a global scale. Do you think someone who breaks into your house is responsible for ALL burglaries on a national scale??? I don’t think so.
The 3 guys in the article have been treated appallingly by the police service and judicial system, from having faulty tagging equipment leading to being held unfairly in police cells for days on end, to having the investigation team constantly chipping away at them.
Maybe its time the police service as a whole started to concentrate on important issues such as the missing children, the drugs on our streets and the stabbings we hear about daily. These are the issues that matter.
Posted by: Beani on 10:38pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Chav[/bold] wrote:
Artistic? I don\'t mind some graffiti. But most, like the above, have no talent at all. Tags are lame/talentless. And don\'t put them in the same boat as Banksy.[/quote] like the above??? I take it you know these people enough to take a view on their talent!! Same boat as Banksy? You're just following the hype surrounding him at the moment!!! At the end of the day Banksy is painting on a wall, just because he is 'famous' doesnt mean that what he is doing should be viewed differently! in fact, he's the one people aspire to!! Painting on a wall, Banksy or not, the principle is the same. And i assume you don't know how Banksy started out??
Chav wrote:
Artistic? I don\'t mind some graffiti. But most, like the above, have no talent at all. Tags are lame/talentless. And don\'t put them in the same boat as Banksy.
like the above??? I take it you know these people enough to take a view on their talent!! Same boat as Banksy? You're just following the hype surrounding him at the moment!!! At the end of the day Banksy is painting on a wall, just because he is 'famous' doesnt mean that what he is doing should be viewed differently! in fact, he's the one people aspire to!! Painting on a wall, Banksy or not, the principle is the same. And i assume you don't know how Banksy started out??
Posted by: Captain Cedric Errol on 10:54pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]P[/bold] wrote:
[bold]SHOOT ZEM![/bold] [/quote] What an absolutely great idea, you should join the police force they need people like you. And I agree, why in earth we should tolerate such a serious crime such as painting and the lasting effect it has on families and the community, especially when you quite rightly put it in the context of knife and gun crime. Painting has such a more devastating effect don’t you think??!!!!!
P wrote:
SHOOT ZEM!
What an absolutely great idea, you should join the police force they need people like you. And I agree, why in earth we should tolerate such a serious crime such as painting and the lasting effect it has on families and the community, especially when you quite rightly put it in the context of knife and gun crime. Painting has such a more devastating effect don’t you think??!!!!!
Posted by: SoozE, S london on 12:54pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote]Don't you think these stupid BTP officers should stop wasting so much money in to their investigations, they go as far as travelling to other countries to gather evidence on them, carrying out ridiculous amount of forensics and that's were all the tax payers money goes to.[/quote]
If these vandals would not have broken the law in the first place, the BTP wouldn't have needed to spend [italic]any[/italic] money in investigating. Did you ever think about that Annonnymous?
Don't you think these stupid BTP officers should stop wasting so much money in to their investigations, they go as far as travelling to other countries to gather evidence on them, carrying out ridiculous amount of forensics and that's were all the tax payers money goes to.
If these vandals would not have broken the law in the first place, the BTP wouldn't have needed to spend
any money in investigating. Did you ever think about that Annonnymous?
Posted by: I Hate Chavs, Surrey don't you know on 4:43pm Wed 7 May 08
'Art' what are you talking about - tagging is mindless vandalism with little or no skill. Hell if they had bothered to go to school they (and their obvious friends posting here) may even be able to spell correctly.
If it is art why apply it to other peoples' property - put it in a book and sell it if they are that good.
There is nothing worse than sitting in a train covered in paint, plus it looks awful and intimidating for others.
Bring back national service for these scum, thats what I say.
'Art' what are you talking about - tagging is mindless vandalism with little or no skill. Hell if they had bothered to go to school they (and their obvious friends posting here) may even be able to spell correctly.
If it is art why apply it to other peoples' property - put it in a book and sell it if they are that good.
There is nothing worse than sitting in a train covered in paint, plus it looks awful and intimidating for others.
Bring back national service for these scum, thats what I say.
Posted by: jim jones, london on 1:04am Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]I Hate Chavs[/bold] wrote:
'Art' what are you talking about - tagging is mindless vandalism with little or no skill. Hell if they had bothered to go to school they (and their obvious friends posting here) may even be able to spell correctly.
If it is art why apply it to other peoples' property - put it in a book and sell it if they are that good.
There is nothing worse than sitting in a train covered in paint, plus it looks awful and intimidating for others.
Bring back national service for these scum, thats what I say.
[/quote] what a jolly good idea!! i say i say.. you no nothing about any of them and their educational background and are probably one of those people who read the guardian stating how banksy is "modern art" and one of those suburban muppetts who buy into all that " broken window theorry" and as for soozE.. only this week BTP have let several vandals off because "its not in the public interest- meaning they have hit there targets. so please unless you actually know how the police operate dont post those stupid comments. For the police its not about catching criminals its about feeding gullible people like yourselves target numbers so you think something is actually being done, when in fact we all know sweet FA is done. we can all manipualte figures to suit ourselves- just like the figures and facts in this very article
I Hate Chavs wrote:
'Art' what are you talking about - tagging is mindless vandalism with little or no skill. Hell if they had bothered to go to school they (and their obvious friends posting here) may even be able to spell correctly.
If it is art why apply it to other peoples' property - put it in a book and sell it if they are that good.
There is nothing worse than sitting in a train covered in paint, plus it looks awful and intimidating for others.
Bring back national service for these scum, thats what I say.
what a jolly good idea!! i say i say.. you no nothing about any of them and their educational background and are probably one of those people who read the guardian stating how banksy is "modern art" and one of those suburban muppetts who buy into all that " broken window theorry" and as for soozE.. only this week BTP have let several vandals off because "its not in the public interest- meaning they have hit there targets. so please unless you actually know how the police operate dont post those stupid comments. For the police its not about catching criminals its about feeding gullible people like yourselves target numbers so you think something is actually being done, when in fact we all know sweet FA is done. we can all manipualte figures to suit ourselves- just like the figures and facts in this very article
Posted by: Dave S, - on 8:40am Thu 8 May 08
Jim, getting a little into this aren't we.
Look at yourself, they graffiti'd a train and got banged up for it, end of.
Its not some major conspiracy - they did the crime now they must do the time..., my heart really bleeds for them.
Will they do it again, I would hope not. So if they don't, banging them up worked.
Jim, getting a little into this aren't we.
Look at yourself, they graffiti'd a train and got banged up for it, end of.
Its not some major conspiracy - they did the crime now they must do the time..., my heart really bleeds for them.
Will they do it again, I would hope not. So if they don't, banging them up worked.
Posted by: Lucy, London on 8:32pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]LORD FAUNTLEROY[/bold] wrote:
Actually, what we all need to do is ask the offenders for their home addresses - and then write graffiti all over their stereo systems, computers and TV sets - perhaps even spray their clothes as well - put them in the stocks and spray their faces. Now that WOULD be justice. [/quote] and who are you to decide what would be justice for these guys after seeing a BTP press release? i feel i should inform you no graffiti artist would spray anyones stereo, computer, tv set, clothes or face! you're much lower than any of them.
LORD FAUNTLEROY wrote:
Actually, what we all need to do is ask the offenders for their home addresses - and then write graffiti all over their stereo systems, computers and TV sets - perhaps even spray their clothes as well - put them in the stocks and spray their faces. Now that WOULD be justice.
and who are you to decide what would be justice for these guys after seeing a BTP press release? i feel i should inform you no graffiti artist would spray anyones stereo, computer, tv set, clothes or face! you're much lower than any of them.
Posted by: I Hate Chavs, Surrey on 8:41am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Lucy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]LORD FAUNTLEROY[/bold] wrote: Actually, what we all need to do is ask the offenders for their home addresses - and then write graffiti all over their stereo systems, computers and TV sets - perhaps even spray their clothes as well - put them in the stocks and spray their faces. Now that WOULD be justice. [/quote] and who are you to decide what would be justice for these guys after seeing a BTP press release? i feel i should inform you no graffiti artist would spray anyones stereo, computer, tv set, clothes or face! you're much lower than any of them.[/quote] Lucy
What an idiotic thing to say. Engage brain before speaking me thinks.
Lucy wrote:
LORD FAUNTLEROY wrote: Actually, what we all need to do is ask the offenders for their home addresses - and then write graffiti all over their stereo systems, computers and TV sets - perhaps even spray their clothes as well - put them in the stocks and spray their faces. Now that WOULD be justice.
and who are you to decide what would be justice for these guys after seeing a BTP press release? i feel i should inform you no graffiti artist would spray anyones stereo, computer, tv set, clothes or face! you're much lower than any of them.
Lucy
What an idiotic thing to say. Engage brain before speaking me thinks.
Posted by: Annonymous on 10:45am Fri 9 May 08
Don't you guys actually take graffiti a bit TOO SERIOUS? Fair enough a lot of things are sprayed over and it costs to clean...But bearing in mind Graffiti is probably one of the most minor crimes. Do you think it is fair to send a graffiti artist to prison where he has to associate with drug addicts? Murderers? rapists? and imagine how he could turn out to be when he comes out f prison. This can go on and on, but graffiti artists certainly shouldn't deserve the sentences they get these days, end of the day they're just painting the trains and that is quite a serious crime aint it?
Coming to think of it, do you actualy personally think that a graffiti artist can actually cause 100k damage to transport? Be bloody serious!!!
This is all exaggerated, so they can be put down a lot longer than they deserve. Sooze about breaking the law, these people have commited a crime and yes they do deserve some sort of punishment, but there is absolutely no need to go all out on these investigations! They seem as bad as Murderers!!! getting forensics done, phone calls are being tapped, every bit of CCTV being watched.
Don't you guys actually take graffiti a bit TOO SERIOUS? Fair enough a lot of things are sprayed over and it costs to clean...But bearing in mind Graffiti is probably one of the most minor crimes. Do you think it is fair to send a graffiti artist to prison where he has to associate with drug addicts? Murderers? rapists? and imagine how he could turn out to be when he comes out f prison. This can go on and on, but graffiti artists certainly shouldn't deserve the sentences they get these days, end of the day they're just painting the trains and that is quite a serious crime aint it?
Coming to think of it, do you actualy personally think that a graffiti artist can actually cause 100k damage to transport? Be bloody serious!!!
This is all exaggerated, so they can be put down a lot longer than they deserve. Sooze about breaking the law, these people have commited a crime and yes they do deserve some sort of punishment, but there is absolutely no need to go all out on these investigations! They seem as bad as Murderers!!! getting forensics done, phone calls are being tapped, every bit of CCTV being watched.
Posted by: Lucy, London on 2:57pm Fri 9 May 08
what? ive 'engaged my brain'... i only meant painters DONT ruin peoples personal property, or assault people. what this guy wants to do to them are much worse crimes and a lot more emotionally distressing than anything they've done!
what? ive 'engaged my brain'... i only meant painters DONT ruin peoples personal property, or assault people. what this guy wants to do to them are much worse crimes and a lot more emotionally distressing than anything they've done!
Posted by: I Hate Chavs, Surrey on 3:12pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Lucy[/bold] wrote:
what? ive 'engaged my brain'... i only meant painters DONT ruin peoples personal property, or assault people. what this guy wants to do to them are much worse crimes and a lot more emotionally distressing than anything they've done![/quote] Lucy
So a train, a wall etc is not personal property because it is run by a corporate organisation.
FYI we have to pay for cleaning stations, the companies pass the costs to their passengers so in that respect they are......
I stand by what I said before, you are an idiot, do you 'tag' yourself by any chance?.....
Lucy wrote:
what? ive 'engaged my brain'... i only meant painters DONT ruin peoples personal property, or assault people. what this guy wants to do to them are much worse crimes and a lot more emotionally distressing than anything they've done!
Lucy
So a train, a wall etc is not personal property because it is run by a corporate organisation.
FYI we have to pay for cleaning stations, the companies pass the costs to their passengers so in that respect they are......
I stand by what I said before, you are an idiot, do you 'tag' yourself by any chance?.....
Posted by: Lucy, London on 6:48pm Fri 9 May 08
No actually i dont, but you obviously think its a case of a them or us mentality. Personally i think its a silly passtime. But i dont think its for anyone to think they would have the right to administer justice themselves in the way Lord Faunteleroy described, what he was suggesting was a mob like personal assault.
yes we all pay a little bit more because of their activites, yes its annoying. perhaps we should round up every shoplifter, benefits cheat, mp with dubious personal expenses and put them all in stocks and spray their faces with paint too. come to think of it lets add all the smokers and overweight people into the mix too, their health problems are pushing up our NHS bills. litter droppers, drunken fights pushing up policing costs on a saturday night, jobseekers too lazy to find work- hell there is a million things i'd rather not be paying for! but you cant go around seriously thinking destroying their posessions and assaulting them would be right.
my comments weren't condoning graffiti if you'd read them. it was condoning the silly suggestions of people who think justice would be to launch a personal assult on these youths.
we have a mass justice system imposed by people people much cleverer than me, and certainly you, for these sort of things if you hadnt noticed. And oh look, they caught these people and imposed our national and legal justice system upon them, it appears the system works. isnt that what this whole article is about? taking the law into your our own hands and going after these people mob style would be a hell of a worse crime in my opinion than some damage to public/ corporate property.
if these youths as concerned with destroying personal property and assaulting people as Lord Fauntleroy appears to be, im sure there would have been opportunites for them far closer than the train station.
No actually i dont, but you obviously think its a case of a them or us mentality. Personally i think its a silly passtime. But i dont think its for anyone to think they would have the right to administer justice themselves in the way Lord Faunteleroy described, what he was suggesting was a mob like personal assault.
yes we all pay a little bit more because of their activites, yes its annoying. perhaps we should round up every shoplifter, benefits cheat, mp with dubious personal expenses and put them all in stocks and spray their faces with paint too. come to think of it lets add all the smokers and overweight people into the mix too, their health problems are pushing up our NHS bills. litter droppers, drunken fights pushing up policing costs on a saturday night, jobseekers too lazy to find work- hell there is a million things i'd rather not be paying for! but you cant go around seriously thinking destroying their posessions and assaulting them would be right.
my comments weren't condoning graffiti if you'd read them. it was condoning the silly suggestions of people who think justice would be to launch a personal assult on these youths.
we have a mass justice system imposed by people people much cleverer than me, and certainly you, for these sort of things if you hadnt noticed. And oh look, they caught these people and imposed our national and legal justice system upon them, it appears the system works. isnt that what this whole article is about? taking the law into your our own hands and going after these people mob style would be a hell of a worse crime in my opinion than some damage to public/ corporate property.
if these youths as concerned with destroying personal property and assaulting people as Lord Fauntleroy appears to be, im sure there would have been opportunites for them far closer than the train station.
Posted by: Kim, Waddon on 1:18pm today
They like to call themselves ‘graffiti artists’, but they are nothing of the sort. They are wannabes – with nothing better to offer society than to deface other people’s property with their pathetic attempts – a three-year-old child could do better.
And the reason they do not respect other peoples property – because they have mostly be brought up by a generation of stupid, lazy parents.
They like to call themselves ‘graffiti artists’, but they are nothing of the sort. They are wannabes – with nothing better to offer society than to deface other people’s property with their pathetic attempts – a three-year-old child could do better.
And the reason they do not respect other peoples property – because they have mostly be brought up by a generation of stupid, lazy parents.
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